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Abortion, Loss, Reincarnation, Life, Love, Expansion – Beth’s Story: A Spiritual Perspective

This post describes a session with The Council in response to the comment and questions below from Beth on the subject of abortion. The session is full of thought-provoking ideas on lots of different subjects of interest to many people in addition to Beth. Particularly interesting to us is light that The Council sheds on how our spirit’s intentions often manifest in surprising and unexpected ways in our human experience.

Ordinarily we like to offer a sort of running commentary in these posts if we feel it can add some clarity to something The Council says during a session, but it seemed to make this post too long and wordy. It also seemed to place more emphasis on understanding what The Council is saying rather than on appreciating the feeling of the energy offered by The Council and spirit in response to Beth’s questions. More and more we are learning from The Council that what’s important about spiritual understanding is that it’s a focus of attention that allows you to feel in your physical experience more of the love you are as a spiritual being.

As you read through the post, see if you can feel the energy of this session resonating with your spirit. If a clear understanding doesn’t come right away, be patient with yourself and let your connection to who you are as a spiritual being shed light on the material presented here. Give yourself some time. You are always welcome to use the Comment section following the post to ask a question about this material and we’ll do our best to reply.

Beth’s Comment and Questions

“I have a question about abortions as it relates to the Soul and the Soul’s agreement…the Soul of the child, specifically.

“You see I have unfortunately had to make the decision (twice) in my life to terminate what I perceived as ‘untimely’ pregnancies.

“I have a lot of guilt around these decisions, not because of any religious reasons, but more because I am not sure what I did was the right decision for my life’s path.

“Also, I often feel sad wondering how those two Souls (or maybe it was the same Soul) feel/felt that I chose to terminate their little lives.

“I fully believe that those Souls made some type of agreement with me, but I’m wondering if you could shed light on what those agreements may have been.

“Did those little Souls know that they would play this role?

“Is it the same Soul trying to come back in?

“Would I be able to find out more about them, and who they might have become had I chosen differently?

“If we come back in similar Soul groups, could this Soul have been one that I also lost in a previous life (I believe I was pregnant when drowned)?

“I realize that these are many questions, not one, but I am grateful for your input.”


You Can Not Stop Life

Reading Beth’s comment and questions to The Council at the beginning of the session, they were quick to comment at the end of her first sentence.

“We really want to laugh here… the word abortion… what does it mean?

“Abort… Stop… Stop life?

“You can not stop life.

“It is all in choosing, and agreements, and experiences.

“And so we just wanted to add that in there.

“Beth did not stop a life… did not cut a life short… everything went as planned.”

–The Council
(The formatting above throughout this post represents The Council’s comments during our session. Text [in brackets] in these quotations has been added to improve readability and clarity when this seems useful.)

Spirit’s Creative Power

After reading what Beth had written, I (Bob) asked The Council if they could elaborate on their opening comment.

“Interestingly enough–let us see if we can explain this–it is something that you [Beth] dearly wanted to experience in this life. And there is one part of your letter where you say that these abortions came about because of the untimeliness of it; well we need to make it clear it was very timely. It was exactly what you [as spirit] created at the exact time that you needed this to appear in your life.

“Now part of your question wants to know who these souls are–who they would have become. And this may be very hard for you to grasp, but in these two particular instances the soul that you aborted was another part of you.

[Speaking humorously, as if they are a very surprised Beth when she learns this for the first time] “Wow, what? What did I hear? How could this be, how could this be? I aborted myself? I was living; I was a grown person.

[Answering as The Council] “Well you knew that as soon as the information of being pregnant came into your life, steps would be taken to undo this. And so you decided to send another little part of yourself into the physical to give you this experience. How about that?”

I asked if they were saying Beth, as a spiritual being, desired to have a human experience of a terminated pregnancy, and her own spirit, not another soul, provided the life force for these pregnancies so Beth could have this experience.

“Yes, it was another part of her. Look at how powerful we are and what we can create.”

A Desire for More Love

I asked if Beth’s spirit was the life force in both terminated pregnancies.

“Both times in this lifetime. So now we wonder, does this help with the guilt?

[Humorously] “Are you going to go around and say I aborted myself… I killed myself… I ended my own life?

“So forget this guilt. Get over this.

“What you were trying to do was to learn how to love. You did not have enough [love] in your life and so you brought this [pregnancies] forth consciously in this lifetime. When it came forth, along with the hesitation of having these children (so to speak), there was also a reason you created that, [and it] was to have more love in your life. Is that understood?”

Awakening the Strength to Move Forward

I didn’t understand how terminating a pregnancy helped Beth experience more love in her life and asked The Council if it was the role of these experiences to awaken in Beth an awareness she wanted more love in her life.

“What it tried at the time to awaken was her strength and her ability to move forward with what she wanted.

“And so there was the yearning on one part to have this creation [a child], and another yearning to be strong enough to put an end on it and to let it go.

“In her decision–and it is always the right decision–what she was experiencing in her life made her decide to terminate and abort these lives [and] to go on with her own.”

A Lesson from Another Lifetime

I asked how Beth’s desire for more love in her life was satisfied by these terminated pregnancies.

“More love from the child, more love from the partner at that particular time.”

“But we do want to say the third soul that she speaks about–being pregnant in another life–that was not her [spirit]. That was another soul that was jumping in to give her that experience.”

“There was from her past life–the soul she lost when she drowned–was the soul of her father now.

“And because it was what she experienced at the end of that physical lifetime, she created it twice in this lifetime… to see how she would handle it… to find her strength… to bring love into the situation… and to deal with it.

“And so it was something she brought in–a lesson which she feels that she did not complete in her previous life because at the time when she drowned, she not only lost the child, but herself.

“And so to play it safe coming into this time, instead of losing another soul… making it a little bit easier… she brought a little piece of herself in to cause the situation of being pregnant this time around. Is that understood?

I said it sounds like they’re saying there’s a strong connection between Beth’s experience of another lifetime where she was pregnant and drowned, and her decision to terminate two pregnancies in her current lifetime.


From One Lifetime to Another

I asked The Council if they could explain more clearly how Beth’s drowning while pregnant in another lifetime was experienced as an incomplete lesson and how this inspired her to create the two terminated pregnancies in her current lifetime.

“When you leave the physical lifetime and there is something undone or something you wanted to experience and you feel you haven’t, you will sometimes–when you reincarnate–bring that specific situation back into [your] life so you can create it, and you can experience it, and expand from it.

“So she experienced twice a loss and lived through it instead of drowning. And then also had the experience of giving birth and living through that with her son in this life. Is that understood?”

Look for and Feel the Love

Since Beth didn’t mention in her questions that she has a son, I asked The Council to confirm it was their impression Beth had a full term pregnancy in this lifetime and now has a son.

“Yes. So she created this to experience (shall we say) both sides of the coin: losing a child and then giving birth to a child.

“Is there love in every situation? Is there love in the situation of losing (twice) a child? Can you find love for this soul, whether it be your own or what you believe is another? In every situation, where is the love? Look for it, feel it, find it.

“When you feel it, and you know who you are, and you know that every soul is also eternal, not ending, and you find a way to love those souls – again we say, whether it is another soul that has decided to help, or part of yourself – when you feel the love, you have expanded.”

Helping Another Soul Learn About Loss

I was curious what lesson Beth might have felt incomplete about at the end of the life where she drowned, and I asked The Council what she wanted to experience in that other lifetime.

“Consciously she was very happy and wanted to experience this birth. And then also–because everything that happens you created yourself [as a spiritual being]–she was helping herself and another learn about loss. And so for the great love of this other soul…”

There was a long pause, so I asked if the soul Beth had great love for was the soul of her unborn child in that lifetime, which The Council also says is the soul of her father in her current lifetime.

“Her husband in that lifetime.”

I didn’t see that coming, and I was amused by the thought that you can’t tell the players without a program.

“Her husband in that lifetime needed to learn about loss. And so she agreed to this [as spirit] to help that soul learn, and see how he would deal with loss.

“And so then, reincarnating, she took it a step further and said: okay, let me learn about loss, let me learn about love.

“Did he bring love into his situation? Am I bringing it into mine? How do we expand with this?”

“Many players, many lessons, many experiences.”

The Reason Beth is Asking

I said it sounds like The Counsel is saying that the spirit of Beth and her unborn child agreed to help her husband in that lifetime experience a loss that he desired.

“Yes. And so they both [Beth and her husband], in that lifetime, hoped for what they thought would be a little girl. And in this [current] lifetime she brought a part of herself in [from spirit] to represent that little girl.

“And so even now, we feel there is somewhere that desire to have given birth to that little girl, and so that is why that question has come forward from Beth. In that previous lifetime they had hoped for a girl child. Because many memories come forward from incarnation to incarnation, in this lifetime there was still that hope.

“And so, as we see, she has given birth this lifetime, but it is to a boy. There was still always that desire from that previous lifetime to have a girl.

“And so it is Beth’s questioning: did she bring forth a girl child in that previous lifetime, [and] in this lifetime, and has she continuously (in her words) aborted this [same] child[/soul]?.

“And we want to tell her definitely, no.”

“And so the guilt, and the worrying, and the wondering–there was no specific girl child that she keeps aborting and preventing that soul from having a physical life.”

“And so the father – her father now, who was that soul then–decided to come in again and help her in another role by being supportive and being the kind of father that she needed in this particular life.”

I asked if Beth terminated both pregnancies before her son was born.

“We believe so.”

 Loss and Gain

I asked if The Council was saying the connection between Beth’s two terminated pregnancies in this lifetime and the lifetime where she drowned, is related to helping her husband in the other lifetime experience the loss that he wanted to experience.

“Yes, experience the loss, but not only the loss, but then the gain by having another child.

“And so she–knowing how the soul of her husband in that past life expanded from this–it was her desire to experience it also.”

How Will Beth Expand?

Next I asked if they were saying it was Beth’s awareness of the spiritual expansion her husband experienced (in the other lifetime) from loosing her and their child was the inspiration for Beth’s choice in spirit to experience a related loss in another incarnation.

“Yes. And how did he experience it? What happened to him in that previous life?

“And as a soul, of course she knew. So coming in again, let me [Beth] have this experience. Will I handle it the same way? What will be my experience? How will I expand from it?”

Wanting and Not Wanting

I asked about Beth’s choice to terminate more than one pregnancy in this lifetime.

“There is still the feeling it was something she really did not want to do. And yet we hope with learning that everything you experience is your creation, that will clear it up for her.”

“Consciously it [the decision] was hers, but it was also the wanting to have it [the child] and not wanting to have it.”

Feeling the Loss, Questioning It, and Healing It

I commented that it feels like Beth still questions her decisions to terminate these pregnancies.

“She’s questioning it because she is wondering: has she continuously stopped a soul who wanted to come into physical. Did she create a situation where she constantly stopped the same soul from coming into the physical.

“And we say, no.”

“It was something she needed to create twice. [To] go through it, feel the loss, now question it, and heal it.”

No Should or Shouldn’t

I asked about Beth’s comment that she wasn’t sure terminating these pregnancies was the right decision for her life path.

“We go back to what we constantly say: there is no should or shouldn’t. It is always the right decision; you are always moving forward.

“And whether you decided to make this decision once or twice, it is exactly what you wanted to experience. So it is exactly what Beth needed to happen in her life at that particular time.

“What is important–not so much then, but now–is [to] heal it. Bring the love into it and love yourself for going through this.

“Where did you [Beth] find your strength? Did you love those souls that you felt that you aborted? Just feel that love. Put the love in that situation. And love yourself for creating this situation and for bringing parts of you in, twice, to help yourself through this situation. How wonderful, to help you expand.”

Remember to Bring Love into Every Situation

I asked if The Council could comment about the subject of terminating pregnancies in general terms that might help others who also experience this challenge in there lives.

“All who terminate pregnancies go through many, many emotions. And there is sadness, and there is guilt, and there is relief; and then there is always wondering what the child would have been like at every year that goes by.

“When you go back to (as we always say) the basics, the spiritual 101, when you learn who you really are: that you are spirit that comes into the physical existence to experience different situations–some challenging, some very happy. You want a mix of everything, and in everything you experience you want to bring love. The idea is to remember to bring love into every situation.

“When you know this and you know who you are, you then learn there is no death. There is no ending. You’re not murdering anybody [or] killing anybody. There is no suicide; there is no end. It is an experience that you wish to have in a particular lifetime.

“And so all who experience these terminations of birth, you are learning from it, you are experiencing it. And sometimes the other soul that plays the role of the little child wants the experience: what’s it like to have a physical life and then have it cut off?

“And so that soul also learns from this. So there is always a helping, there is always an agreement; you are not doing something to someone that doesn’t want to experience it.

“Is that understood?”

I asked why they said “sometimes” the soul of the unborn child wants this experience.

“Well it is their choice to experience [this]. They would not experience it if it was not wanted; so then we will say: all the time.”

Helping One Another

“And so there is always the helping one another:
I’ll learn this, you learn that…
You come in now, I’ll get rid of you [chuckles], [or] I’ll make you stay…
You’ll have your life, I’ll have mine, [or] we’ll go through it together…
Maybe we’ll remain on friendly terms, maybe we won’t have friendly terms.

“And it is just where you have set up situations for each other for the experience, for the expansion, and to remember to bring love into the experience.”

It is All Wanted

“So everyone’s life story, with all its experiences, with its challenges, with its funs, with its ups and its downs, it is all wanted. Every part of it is all wanted.

“And so when we hear, ‘Should I? Did I make the right choice?’ we can say without any hesitation: Yay! Yahoo! You did exactly what you wanted.”

I asked if human experiences of physical disease, discomfort, and pain are the result of our spirit’s desire to expand the energy of love into these experiences and transform them.


Beth’s Questions Answered – A Summary

Although we said at the beginning of this post that we are avoiding the inclusion of our usual running commentary, it seems like a good idea to try and sum up this session with concise answers and responses to Beth’s questions and comments. We have numbered Beth’s questions and comments for easy reference. The blue text beneath Beth’s questions is our understanding of The Council’s answers.


“I have a question about abortions as it relates to the Soul and the Soul’s agreement…the Soul of the child, specifically. You see I have unfortunately had to make the decision (twice) in my life to terminate what I perceived as ‘untimely’ pregnancies.”

From Beth’s spirit’s point of view the decisions to terminate the pregnancies were fortunate, not unfortunate.

The two terminated pregnancies were the opposite of untimely; they were deliberately created by Beth as a spiritual being in what The Council describes as a very timely manner.


“I have a lot of guilt around these decisions, not because of any religious reasons, but more because I am not sure what I did was the right decision for my life’s path.”

From the point of view of Beth’s spirit there’s no such thing as a wrong decision. All decisions, whatever they are, represent forward movement and spiritual expansion.


“Also, I often feel sad wondering how those two Souls (or maybe it was the same Soul) feel/felt that I chose to terminate their little lives.”

This question wasn’t specifically asked, but we imagine Beth’s spirit felt the joy of spiritual expansion when human Beth chose to terminate the two pregnancies, because this is exactly what The Council says Beth’s spirit intended for human Beth to experience.

From Beth’s spiritual point of view no lives (little or otherwise) were terminated because spiritual life is eternal.


“I fully believe that those Souls made some type of agreement with me, but I’m wondering if you could shed light on what those agreements may have been.”

Beth’s soul agreed to create these pregnancies to experience the expansion of love that occurs when human Beth experiences the loss of the terminated pregnancies and desires this increased love to heal the feeling of loss.


“Did those little Souls know that they would play this role?”

Beth’s spirit not only knew it would play the role of two unborn children, Beth’s spirit deliberately created these two pregnancies in Beth’s human life to provide an opportunity to expand love into this physical experience to heal the feeling of loss.


“Is it the same Soul trying to come back in?”

It’s Beth’s soul in both pregnancies in this lifetime. The soul of Beth’s father in this lifetime is the soul of Beth’s unborn child in the lifetime when Beth drowned.


“Would I be able to find out more about them, and who they might have become had I chosen differently?”

The more Beth learns about herself as a spiritual being, the more she will know about the soul who made her two pregnancies possible.

In light of the information given by The Council that Beth was the spirit of the two terminated pregnancies, it didn’t occur to Bob during the session to ask what might have happened if human Beth chose not to terminate these pregnancies. Since it was Beth’s spirit’s intention these pregnancies would terminate, we imagine her spirit would have no difficulty arranging this if human Beth chose not to terminate the pregnancies.


“If we come back in similar Soul groups, could this Soul have been one that I also lost in a previous life (I believe I was pregnant when drowned)?”

As mentioned in #6 above, The Council says the soul of Beth’s unborn child in the lifetime where she was pregnant and drowned was different from the soul in her two pregnancies in her current lifetime.

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  1. I feel deeply touched by your answers and the way you treat people.

    Four years ago I met the love of my life. We were together only for two months and then he told me he wasn’t sure that he could be in a relationship. I can’t describe my feelings back at the time. I was devastated and deeply disappointed. After five months of waiting for something to change, out of the blue I decided to marry another man. I will be honest about my decision: I was not in love, but I felt a deep connection to my husband and at the same time I felt that we both needed to have a child. One month after our marriage I gave birth to a beautiful little girl, whose light and wisdom has made us better people.

    Now I will have to add that during my pregnancy I started talking again with the man I was still in love with. After two years of plenty of phone calls and emails I saw a dream of a little boy that was calling me Mum. We then met and after two months I realised I was pregnant. In the meantime I saw a picture of him as a child and I found the similarity between him as a child and the boy in my dream pretty striking.

    I told my husband the truth and that I intended to have the child. He was really angry at me at first. On the other hand the father of the child told me that given the fact that I was still married he didn’t want me to have his child. That was the most difficult time in my life ever. I decided to have an abortion for three essential reasons. The first one had to do with the father of the baby; I didn’t want to blackmail in any way his love, or his money. The second reason had to do with my husband. He couldn’t sleep at night, began to have breathing problems due to stress etc… The third reason is that my financial state couldn’t fully support a second child.

    I can’t bring to words the feeling of the loss I still suffer. I realised in a very painful way that I wasn’t loved, at least not the way I expected. Nevertheless I came back stronger.

    I work as a teacher and now for the first time in my life I feel unconditional love not only for my child, but also for every other child in the world. Whenever I have the chance to hug my daughter or a kid in my classroom, I feel that the trauma in my soul for the abortion stops bleeding.

    Do you think that there is any chance that the boy I dreamt of, the baby I didn’t keep, will ever return to me? It’s not that I haven’t found peace within me, but still it would be a blessing.

    Thank you in advance for your help and your devotion in your spiritual work.

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    Comment by Eva | January 4, 2020 | Reply

    • Hi, Eva. We’ll be happy to ask The Council if the child you aborted will return to you when we have time and we’ll post an audio recording of their response when it’s ready. Love and light, Bob & Cynthia


      Comment by Cynthia & Bob | January 5, 2020 | Reply

  2. I was told by my spiritual healer recently that I was aborted from one parent and came into this mother as I know.

    My questions is: Was I not loved when aborted. And coming into my mother is that maybe why I don’t feel a real bonding with my brothers and sister? I feel no connection with them, or is that normal.

    This was all new to me. I’d like to understand any of this.

    Can The Council relate any information on this so I might comprehend?

    Thank you

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    Comment by Joni | November 24, 2019 | Reply

    • Hi, Joni. We’ll be happy to ask The Council about your spirit being aborted before you were born, and also about not bonding with your brother and sister as soon as we have time. We’ll post The Council’s response on our blog as soon as it’s ready. Love and light, Bob & Cynthia


      Comment by Cynthia & Bob | November 28, 2019 | Reply

  3. This is embarrassing to write , based on the judgements from this life. I had 4 abortions all the cut-off time (5.5 months), all from the same lover (now my husband), and this last time I wanted it but had no support from our parents, and we were financially unstable as well as mentally. But part of me still wishes I had it anyway. Why am I having this regret? Was I supposed to have it this last time with or without emotional and financial support from family or not? By the way they were all late terminations because I didn’t know I was pregnant. I was always in some sort of medication or drug that can stop mensration. Please help bring clarity to all this.

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    Comment by A. Theresia | July 25, 2018 | Reply

    • Hi, A. Theresia. Thank you for your question about your regret over your forth abortion. When we have time we’ll ask The Council for clarification on your situation and post the audio recording of their response in a post when it’s ready. Hang in there. Love and light, Bob & Cynthia.


      Comment by Cynthia & Bob | July 25, 2018 | Reply

  4. Thank you so much for sharing and posting this. I have seen so many articles saying that women pay for their abortion lifetime after lifetime and I just didn’t believe it. It didn’t resonate with me at all.

    I got pregnant with someone claiming to be my twin flame on our first night together and I had my termination recently. The questions answered by the council resonate with me deeply and that’s how I felt about the whole process. I feel like it was the spirit of a girl that I miscarried when I was very young rather than a piece of my spirit. And it was a lesson for the father, myself, and who I really believe my twin soul to be. I would love to know if I’m correct about this.

    The baby’s father is sure we will have another child together at some point. I would really like to know if I am correct and it is a girl’s spirit and if she is likely to be returned.


    Comment by Isobel Starbuck | January 21, 2017 | Reply

    • Hi, Isobel. Thank you so much for your comment. Your intuition about women not having to pay for their abortions lifetime after lifetime will serve you well.

      We’ll be happy to ask The Council your questions about your termination and future children. We’ll post their response when it’s ready. Love and light, Bob & Cynthia


      Comment by Cynthia & Bob | January 21, 2017 | Reply

  5. Thank you so much for sharing this. Can I please ask council a question too? I had a termination when I was 18. Now at 42 I recently had a missed miscarriage at 14 weeks and had to go through the exact same procedure as my termination. Was my miscarriage the same soul as my termination pregnancy? It certainly felt like it although I often wonder if the terminated soul is that of my little boy now with me? He’s always so insecure and worried when he’s not with me even though there’s no reason for him to be. Thank you so much. Love & light. Tracey xx

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    Comment by Tracey | December 5, 2016 | Reply

    • Hi, Tracey. Thanks for your question. We’ll ask The Council if the soul in your terminated pregnancy at 18 is the same as the one you miscarried recently, or if it’s related to your little boy, and we’ll post our response.


      Comment by Cynthia & Bob | December 5, 2016 | Reply

  6. I had 3 abortions, first two at the first trimester and the 3rd in the 2nd trimester. The 3rd one I was ready to keep, but I don’t know what really happened and found myself terminating the pregnancy.

    Now were all the 3 pregnancies from the same spirit? I now want a baby. Will the same spirit incarnate itself back to be my child?

    Liked by 1 person

    Comment by Anonymous | November 28, 2016 | Reply

    • Hi, Anonymous. We’ll be happy to ask The Council your question about whether your 3 terminated pregnancies were the same spirit, and if it will return to you if you get pregnant again. Please be patient and look for the answer in our upcoming posts. Thanks for your question.


      Comment by Cynthia & Bob | December 4, 2016 | Reply

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